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קרן ויצמן's avatar

Stating that the ordinary gazan did not know of hamas' plans is not credible: when you allow tunnel entrances in your kids' bedroom, in its kindergarten, in hospitals and schools: you know. When your kids are exploited in digging the tunnels: you know. When you send your kids to hamas summer school where they learn to stab jews and how to handle a rifle: you know.

Gaza is not build of 2 separate social groups, being terrorists and civilians. These are completely intertwined. Like the germans were with the nazi's they democratically voted in. And like Germany, the accountability is on the society as a whole. Only this may create a pathway to something different. Until you acknowlegde the wrongs, nothing will change.

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The Nakba is really not about the refugees. It is the lament that the Arab world didn't get to commit genocide against the fledgling state of Israel. And it is a yearly lament. It is the lie that the Jews forced the Arabs to leave, and while I am sure there are some bad actors on the side of Israel, it was the Arab states and the Mufti who coerced the Arabs to leave in the hope of returning and taking over all the land. It is not the obligation of Israel to allow those who wanted them obliterated off the face of the earth to be allowed to return, anymore than India has to allow those who left for Pakistan to return to India.

Interestingly enough 20% of Israelis are the great-grandchildren of those that stayed. They have full citizenship and the same rights of any Jewish citizen. If the Arab Palestinians decided to stay this would have been their children's fate. Things aren't perfect, but it is alot better to be an ISraeli Arab than to be a Palestinian anywhere else in the Middle East.

And then you need to ask why since Gaza was in effect the Palestinians State , and the PA is an autonomous area in the West Bank, why are there still refugee camps? Why when 80% of Jordan is Palestinian are there refugee camps? And why in Lebanon is there an apartheid against Palestinians. (Hmm maybe it has something to do with Black September and the PLO/Fatah and what they did to those countries)

You also need to ask how did Arafat end up worth 8 billion dollars when he died, and why is Abbas a billionaire and why are the Hamas leaders billionaires when there are refugee camps, and poverty among so many of their people?

But then you also have to ask why are the Hadid siblings considered a refugee? Why are you considered a refugee John? Why is there a separate refugee agency for Palestinians and why do they have a different defintion of refugee from everyone else in the world?

Now lets also talk about the 850,000 Jews who were expelled from the Arab countries that they had lived in since the time of Babylon? What are you going to do to make sure they are remembered and compensated for their losses? Funny isnt it that Jews took care of their refugee brothers and sisters, while the Arab world and their erstwhile white saviors have only used the Palestinians to try to commit genocide against Israel.

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